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''20:48'' '''toffehoff''' [~toffehoff@82.74.71.93] entered the room.<br>
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''20:51'' '''JonathanB''' [~jono@host86-190-88-134.wlms-broadband.com] entered the room.<br>
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''20:52'' '''JonathanB''' Nearly that time? Better go get a drink.<br>
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''20:58'' '''rweait1''' [~nerd@bas10-toronto01-1096691757.dsl.bell.ca] entered the room.<br>
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''20:58'' '''rweait1''' cwg coming up?<br>
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''20:59'' '''toffehoff''' think it is....<br>
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''21:00'' '''RichardF''' puts kettle on<br>
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''21:00'' '''rweait1''' Ah, yes. An email from harry-wood moments ago. :-)<br>
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''21:01'' '''harry-wood''' hello<br>
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''21:01'' '''rweait1''' Hello<br>
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''21:02'' '''rweait1''' Shall we approve the previous minutes?<br>
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''21:02'' '''harry-wood''' I just edited the read through previous minutes (IRC log) and added actions<br>
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''21:02'' '''harry-wood''' http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/CWG_meeting_2011-11-28<br>
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''21:04'' '''toffehoff''' Happy to propose or second the minutes.<br>
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''21:04'' '''rweait1''' I can't as I was away.<br>
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''21:04'' '''harry-wood''' I second them<br>
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''21:04'' '''rweait1''' Okay, any updates on actions from last week?<br>
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''21:05'' '''rweait1''' (No objections to the minutes, I presume. Let us know, otherwise)<br>
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''21:05'' '''toffehoff''' Still working on getting my thoughts on paper....<br>
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''21:05'' '''JonathanB''' I haven't spoken further to Tom Hughes yet...<br>
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''21:05'' '''harry-wood''' We launched the fund-raiser<br>
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''21:05'' '''rweait1''' Bravo Harry-wood, up over 30% I think?<br>
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''21:06'' '''harry-wood''' I failed to attend to attend the management team on Wednesday because I got confused and thought it was at 21'' '''<br>
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''21:06'' '''toffehoff''' getting to 40%<br>
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''21:06'' '''RichardF''' excellent<br>
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''21:06'' '''rweait1''' I was at MT for LWG. as far as CWG goes, they want a budget from us.<br>
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''21:06'' '''toffehoff''' RichardW and I were there....<br>
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''21:06'' '''rweait1''' And I see that is already on the list of topics.<br>
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''21:07'' '''rweait1''' And we've offered to be all communicat-y for other WGs looking to talk about their successes.<br>
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''21:07'' '''rweait1''' Do we think we need anything more than our 1k petty cash?<br>
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''21:08'' '''RichardF''' I think we decided last week that we didn't<br>
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''21:08'' '''JonathanB''' I don't think we have any definite needs that we could express at this point.<br>
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''21:08'' '''rweait1''' Shall we call that "our budget" and advise MT? <br>
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''21:08'' '''RichardF''' yes, I'm good with that<br>
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''21:08'' '''harry-wood''' do we get 1k petty cash anyway?<br>
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''21:08'' '''toffehoff''' ye<br>
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''21:08'' '''toffehoff''' s<br>
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''21:09'' '''harry-wood''' should be plenty to keep us going with any little things that come up<br>
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''21:09'' '''rweait1''' Anybody against the 1k petty cash plan?<br>
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''21:09'' '''toffehoff''' (to harry-wood's question)<br>
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''21:09'' '''rweait1''' Somebody to write that up for MT?<br>
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''21:09'' '''toffehoff''' What's the 1k petty cash plan?<br>
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''21:10'' '''toffehoff''' Like in: that should do it, or is there some plan?<br>
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''21:10'' '''rweait1''' That should do.<br>
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''21:10'' '''toffehoff''' ok<br>
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''21:10'' '''rweait1''' Not sure what we'll do with it.<br>
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''21:10'' '''rweait1''' :-)<br>
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''21:10'' '''toffehoff''' Like I said last week, I'm writing some thoughts down.<br>
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''21:10'' '''toffehoff''' But until then.<br>
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''21:10'' '''toffehoff''' ok<br>
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''21:11'' '''toffehoff''' (so it's up to me to bring it up again ;-) )<br>
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''21:11'' '''rweait1''' Shall we wait another week then for your thoughts? No reason to rush you.<br>
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''21:11'' '''harry-wood''' do you want to give us a little preview of your thoughts?<br>
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''21:11'' '''harry-wood''' :-)<br>
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''21:11'' '''toffehoff''' Just quick....<br>
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''21:11'' '''toffehoff''' Trying to identify our main channels we want to communicate with<br>
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''21:12'' '''toffehoff''' To who we want to communicate with<br>
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''21:12'' '''toffehoff''' There are different groups of people with different info-needs<br>
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''21:12'' '''toffehoff''' Explore other ways of communicating (video-items, etc)<br>
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''21:13'' '''toffehoff''' Trying to get some marking campaigns (guerilla marketing and such)<br>
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''21:13'' '''JonathanB''' Hell, if we think it'll fly we can find a video producer to work with us.<br>
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''21:13'' '''RichardF''' or a gorilla<br>
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''21:13'' '''toffehoff''' that sort of things.<br>
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''21:14'' '''JonathanB''' I thought they just played drums?<br>
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''21:14'' '''toffehoff''' Don't need to do it all, but try to explore different ideas and see if it works.<br>
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''21:14'' '''rweait1''' So you'll have your thoughts for discussion fo next meeting Henk, or would you like more time than that?<br>
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''21:14'' '''toffehoff''' And if it works, we could try and beef it up (like with a video producer).<br>
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''21:15'' '''toffehoff''' Let me try and have something ready for next week.<br>
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''21:15'' '''toffehoff''' That gives me deadline.<br>
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''21:15'' '''toffehoff''' to work with.<br>
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''21:15'' '''rweait1''' Cool. So we'll hold off about the budget oending that.<br>
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''21:15'' '''rweait1''' pending.<br>
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''21:15'' '''toffehoff''' okidoki<br>
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''21:15'' '''rweait1''' JonathanB - Thinkup is pending? <br>
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''21:16'' '''JonathanB''' rweait1: Yeah, just need to find when TomH has some time to chat<br>
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''21:16'' '''rweait1''' No problem.<br>
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''21:16'' '''rweait1''' Think you can get him this week?<br>
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''21:17'' '''JonathanB''' I'll try my best<br>
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''21:17'' '''rweait1''' I see that analytics is on me. iirc we have piwik on the rest of the site. I'd prefer to unify with piwik, rather than split piwik / G-analytics.<br>
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''21:18'' '''rweait1''' How about if I ask TomH about that and see if it fits his requirements?<br>
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''21:18'' '''toffehoff''' I have access to piwik as well now. Looks very promising.<br>
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''21:18'' '''toffehoff''' I'm happy with sticking with piwik for now.<br>
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''21:19'' '''harry-wood''' rweait1: I was wondering though how the g-analytics are looking<br>
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''21:19'' '''harry-wood''' (those that we already have)<br>
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''21:19'' '''harry-wood''' You remember how to log in?<br>
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''21:19'' '''rweait1''' I had a quick look two weeks ago iirc. and nothing jumped out as frightening.<br>
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''21:20'' '''toffehoff''' talking about piwik: could we add other websites of us as well?<br>
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''21:20'' '''toffehoff''' Like the osmfoundation.org<br>
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''21:20'' '''RichardF''' yes, you can add any number of sites to piwik<br>
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''21:20'' '''rweait1''' sadly the whole logging in to multiple g-services is a dogs breakfast, and I'm not anxious to do that again.<br>
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''21:20'' '''rweait1''' toffehoff: that's what I'm suggesting.<br>
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''21:20'' '''RichardF''' you just create a new site within piwik, and paste the JS include onto each page of the new site, which includes a unique site code<br>
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''21:20'' '''rweait1''' No need for piwik AND G-analytics.<br>
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''21:20'' '''RichardF''' did exactly that today for a work website so can remember :)<br>
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''21:21'' '''toffehoff''' rweait1: didn't know for sure what you meant with unifying.<br>
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''21:21'' '''rweait1''' So as long as it is fine with TomH, and I'll ask that, then everybody can have a look at performance of osmfoundation and odm.org, etc.<br>
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''21:22'' '''toffehoff''' cool<br>
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''21:22'' '''rweait1''' OpenGeoData too, once it is in...<br>
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''21:22'' '''rweait1''' Okay, anything else on analytics?<br>
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''21:22'' '''toffehoff''' so, that's on you to handle it?<br>
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''21:22'' '''rweait1''' unless we have another suggestion or guidance?<br>
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''21:23'' '''toffehoff''' No, just checking ;-)<br>
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''21:23'' '''rweait1''' Okay. Fund raising!<br>
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''21:23'' '''rweait1''' Yay, Team!<br>
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''21:23'' '''harry-wood''' Fund raising going OK, but no big corporate donations<br>
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''21:23'' '''toffehoff''' Great work Harry (and Grant) in making it all happen!<br>
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''21:24'' '''rweait1''' have we hit all the social media? I did FB and osm-us FB<br>
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''21:24'' '''JonathanB''' I did G+<br>
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''21:24'' '''RichardF''' and I did Twitter<br>
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''21:24'' '''toffehoff''' osmf-announce went out today<br>
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''21:24'' '''rweait1''' osmfoundation and opengeodata are done.<br>
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''21:24'' '''harry-wood''' german translation on the blog<br>
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''21:24'' '''JonathanB''' Oh yes, I did announce as well<br>
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''21:25'' '''harry-wood''' Daniel B didn't translate to french yet.<br>
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''21:25'' '''harry-wood''' rweait1: you mentioned Eugene could do a russian translation<br>
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''21:25'' '''rweait1''' (We need an account for Eugene to do Russian translations.)<br>
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''21:25'' '''rweait1''' Yes.<br>
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''21:25'' '''toffehoff''' which brings me to: who do we have as translators?<br>
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''21:25'' '''harry-wood''' We have one german translator and one french translator<br>
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''21:26'' '''toffehoff''' ok.<br>
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''21:26'' '''toffehoff''' Which languages are we really looking for?<br>
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''21:26'' '''toffehoff''' Japanees?<br>
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''21:26'' '''harry-wood''' they're not all that quick at doing it. Not sure if it's a very rewarding job<br>
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''21:26'' '''rweait1''' Any for which we can get reliable trasnaltions?<br>
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''21:26'' '''rweait1''' Our top six or sever would be fantastic. <br>
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''21:27'' '''rweait1''' that we have three now is good.<br>
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''21:27'' '''harry-wood''' I think we could do with having more translators for germand & french as well as other languages<br>
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''21:27'' '''harry-wood''' not sure if we need to vet people or how we can<br>
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''21:27'' '''rweait1''' Indeed. Share the load.<br>
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''21:28'' '''rweait1''' If only we had some WG or board members with multiple languages ...<br>
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''21:28'' '''toffehoff''' besides the problem of getting people: which languages would we be interested in?<br>
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''21:28'' '''toffehoff''' :-)<br>
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''21:28'' '''rweait1''' en, fr, de, es, nl, ru, pt, ...<br>
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''21:29'' '''toffehoff''' pt?<br>
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''21:29'' '''harry-wood''' well the blog functions as a promotion thing for OSM, but also a channel to inform the existing community. <br>
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''21:29'' '''toffehoff''' being?<br>
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''21:29'' '''rweait1''' or pt-br<br>
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''21:29'' '''rweait1''' Portuguese?<br>
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''21:29'' '''toffehoff''' ok<br>
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''21:29'' '''toffehoff''' I could ping Ivan for the es<br>
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''21:29'' '''harry-wood''' should follow existing trends in the community, which happily should be the easiest thing recruitment-wise<br>
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''21:30'' '''toffehoff''' I also know someone who is pretty good in Dutch.<br>
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''21:30'' '''rweait1''' Excellent.<br>
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''21:30'' '''rweait1''' Introduce us?<br>
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''21:30'' '''rweait1''' :-)<br>
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''21:30'' '''harry-wood''' hehehe<br>
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''21:30'' '''rweait1''' We moved away from fundraising to language.<br>
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''21:30'' '''rweait1''' do we need to do anything with the fundraising right now?<br>
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''21:31'' '''rweait1''' What should we prepare to do shortly?<br>
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''21:31'' '''harry-wood''' We're still within a window of opportunity where this is a news story<br>
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''21:31'' '''harry-wood''' could try to get it into the press<br>
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''21:32'' '''JonathanB''' It's been picked up by Heise today, so there may be some secondary coverage because of that.<br>
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''21:32'' '''rweait1''' let's talk about our press list in a bit. <br>
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''21:32'' '''rweait1''' NIce to get Heise.<br>
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''21:32'' '''RichardF''' yep.<br>
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''21:32'' '''toffehoff''' +1<br>
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''21:33'' '''rweait1''' harry-wood, anything you want us to do?<br>
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''21:33'' '''toffehoff''' I've put some names on our press list.<br>
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''21:33'' '''harry-wood''' cool<br>
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''21:33'' '''harry-wood''' let's all try to add some more I guess<br>
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''21:34'' '''toffehoff''' Not sure if they are the right people for a fund-raiser press release.<br>
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''21:35'' '''rweait1''' Okay are we done with the fund raising for today?<br>
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''21:35'' '''harry-wood''' I have no time to work on it still<br>
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''21:35'' '''harry-wood''' but I think it's a good thing to blast out on any channels we can think of<br>
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''21:36'' '''rweait1''' I put it on reddit the other day as well.<br>
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''21:36'' '''harry-wood''' Good idea. Anything you can think of like that<br>
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''21:36'' '''rweait1''' could probably use some upvotes from the reddit.com/r/openstreetmap visitors<br>
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''21:36'' '''toffehoff''' Put the links in the press list<br>
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''21:37'' '''rweait1''' okay press list. have we an announce list for press only or somehting?<br>
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''21:37'' '''rweait1''' Or are we just putting them on the wiki for everybody to mail when they please?<br>
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''21:38'' '''rweait1''' I think a press mailing list (outgoing) is a good idea.<br>
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''21:38'' '''toffehoff''' Some of the names I've put on the list are not for public use.<br>
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''21:38'' '''harry-wood''' well the list we have is a google spreadsheet<br>
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''21:38'' '''harry-wood''' shared edit access by link<br>
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''21:39'' '''rweait1''' okay, how do we USE it though. not copy paste from Google, surely?<br>
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''21:39'' '''RichardF''' that's how I'd do it!<br>
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''21:39'' '''harry-wood''' need to build the list a bit more first, but I would've thought we use it be going down the list firing emails at all of them<br>
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''21:39'' '''harry-wood''' (or following other contact links)<br>
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''21:40'' '''rweait1''' okay. I've got two more for the list. I'll add them this week.<br>
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''21:41'' '''harry-wood''' but certainly publications will be a more natural target for certain news stories<br>
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''21:41'' '''harry-wood''' I mean 'certain publications'<br>
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''21:42'' '''harry-wood''' we can do more targeted releases<br>
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''21:42'' '''toffehoff''' I'll try to ping the reporter of the WSJ to see what they're interested in.<br>
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''21:43'' '''harry-wood''' we discussed the idea of giving some people a quarterly report of some kind<br>
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''21:43'' '''harry-wood''' that could be noted on the spreadsheet too I guess<br>
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''21:44'' '''rweait1''' Are we going to take on that quarterly newsletter / report as a task for CWG as well?<br>
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''21:44'' '''toffehoff''' Some magazines also accept an article that is written by a "guest" autor.<br>
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''21:44'' '''RichardF''' yep, IIRC Directions Magazine were up for that<br>
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''21:44'' '''RichardF''' really it would be good to get more volunteers for that. So, for example, DIrections would need GIS-friendly stories<br>
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''21:44'' '''RichardF''' so we could do with someone who knows about GIS stuff to write that<br>
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''21:45'' '''rweait1''' looks towards ToeBee. :-)<br>
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''21:45'' '''RichardF''' good plan!<br>
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''21:45'' '''rweait1''' I'll ask him<br>
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''21:46'' '''rweait1''' So tasks for our press list: Find More members for the List!<br>
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''21:46'' '''rweait1''' anything else?<br>
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''21:47'' '''rweait1''' Then we'll move on to languages, since that keeps coming up.<br>
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''21:47'' '''rweait1''' We want to do more languages on the blog, but we are falling short of volunteers and / or process,<br>
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''21:48'' '''rweait1''' How to fix?<br>
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''21:48'' '''harry-wood''' You OK to set up Eugene to start the russian translations?<br>
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''21:48'' '''harry-wood''' get him to do the about page first<br>
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''21:48'' '''rweait1''' He seems happy to do it. I'll try to add the account and scream ifI need help.<br>
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''21:48'' '''toffehoff''' cool<br>
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''21:49'' '''rweait1''' What else? Do we want to commit to Dutch as well? <br>
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''21:50'' '''rweait1''' Perhaps we should aim for three translators per language? (But frankly I had trouble finding one to agree for french and Russian.<br>
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''21:50'' '''toffehoff''' We could, but as you all know, they do understand English very well.<br>
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''21:50'' '''harry-wood''' If I had time to take any actions… my idea to find translators would be to look through the active wiki translators, and try to cross-correlate with people with an OSMF banner<br>
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''21:50'' '''rweait1''' Excellent. <br>
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''21:50'' '''rweait1''' RichardF, want to take that as a task for next week?<br>
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''21:50'' '''harry-wood''' though not many people have the user page banner. A wider net would be to have the list of OSMF members<br>
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''21:51'' '''toffehoff''' Where's the list of active wiki translators?<br>
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''21:51'' '''toffehoff''' I can match them with the membership list.<br>
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''21:51'' '''harry-wood''' there isn't a list. It would a manual process to figure out who they are<br>
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''21:52'' '''toffehoff''' O joy.<br>
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''21:52'' '''rweait1''' ;-) but thank you fo volunteering. :-)<br>
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''21:52'' '''toffehoff''' I can give it a start.<br>
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''21:52'' '''rweait1''' With that settled, anything else before we break for the week?<br>
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''21:53'' '''harry-wood''' there are some listing mechanisms.. e.g. language userboxes (scroll to the bottom of my page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Harry_Wood )<br>
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''21:53'' '''harry-wood''' but that's not a list of active wiki translators<br>
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''21:53'' '''toffehoff''' thanks harry.<br>
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''21:53'' '''toffehoff''' It's a start<br>
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''21:54'' '''toffehoff''' So, first looking at the six languages mentioned above?<br>
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''21:54'' '''rweait1''' so far we have one translator each for French and german, and a new one to start on Russian<br>
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''21:54'' '''rweait1''' so Spanish, Dutch, Italian<br>
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''21:55'' '''rweait1''' are all in the top six as well<br>
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''21:55'' '''toffehoff''' ok<br>
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''21:55'' '''rweait1''' and we have too many American-speakers plus plenty of real English.<br>
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''21:56'' '''toffehoff''' And don't forget our Australian friends<br>
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''21:56'' '''rweait1''' it would be SUPER AWESOME to get Japanese, Hindi, or Chinese on the list.<br>
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''21:56'' '''JonathanB''' We have Australian friends?<br>
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''21:56'' '''rweait1''' can we leave that Aussie sniping out of the minutes?<br>
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''21:56'' '''JonathanB''' I'd suggest Chris Osborne for Japanese, but he's a bit busy right now.<br>
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''21:56'' '''harry-wood''' hehehe<br>
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''21:57'' '''harry-wood''' A key problem though is what's the motivation for blog translators<br>
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''21:57'' '''harry-wood''' it's hard work<br>
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''21:57'' '''toffehoff''' I can check with whats-his-name a German guy who lives in Japan.<br>
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''21:57'' '''toffehoff''' if he knows some people.<br>
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''21:57'' '''rweait1''' Daniel ... ?<br>
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''21:57'' '''toffehoff''' Yes, that's the one.<br>
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''21:57'' '''harry-wood''' we need more translators so that its less hard work…. but maybe also thank them more publicly somehow<br>
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''21:57'' '''rweait1''' Motivation? "reach out to the rest of your local community"<br>
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''21:58'' '''rweait1''' It easier than writing the article yourself<br>
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''21:58'' '''rweait1''' Absolutely thank them.<br>
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''21:58'' '''rweait1''' Thank you, translators!<br>
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''21:58'' '''toffehoff''' I'll also check with the people who want to set up a local chapter.<br>
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''21:58'' '''rweait1''' Perhaps they are "Foreign Correspondents"?<br>
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''21:58'' '''toffehoff''' Mucho Gracias<br>
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''21:59'' '''harry-wood''' yeah. I suppose maybe "hard work" is the wrong way to put it. It's hard and rather tedious work<br>
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''21:59'' '''toffehoff''' (or something like that)<br>
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''21:59'' '''rweait1''' A, I have a budget idea. Henk I'll email you.<br>
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''21:59'' '''toffehoff''' :-)<br>
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''21:59'' '''rweait1''' So are we all done for now. <br>
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''21:59'' '''rweait1''' Next week same time?<br>
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''21:59'' '''rweait1''' 15 secdonds...<br>
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''21:59'' '''JonathanB''' Yep<br>
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''21:59'' '''rweait1''' Excellent.<br>
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''21:59'' '''rweait1''' Bye<br>
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''22:00'' '''toffehoff''' Bye<br>
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''22:00'' '''rweait1''' With one second to spare. :-)<br>
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''22:00'' '''toffehoff''' btw: I might be a little late next week....<br>
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''22:00'' '''harry-wood''' there was one other thing I wanted to talk about<br>
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''22:00'' '''rweait1''' Maybe email your budget thoughts in advance?<br>
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''22:00'' '''rweait1''' Harry-wood go ahead.<br>
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''22:00'' '''harry-wood''' I need to step down as the nominated management team representative<br>
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''22:01'' '''harry-wood''' one too many meetings<br>
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''22:01'' '''rweait1''' Okay, thanks for serving in that capacity.<br>
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''22:01'' '''rweait1''' Volunteers?<br>
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''22:01'' '''harry-wood''' I support Management Team, and I think it's important, but… I need to re-claim some time somewhere<br>
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''22:01'' '''rweait1''' next MT is in 9 days time, I think?<br>
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''22:01'' '''toffehoff''' Next wednesday, yes.<br>
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''22:02'' '''toffehoff''' next week i mean<br>
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''22:02'' '''rweait1''' okay, will vote on who will volunteer next meeting. "Don't be late." :-)<br>
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''22:02'' '''toffehoff''' dec 14th<br>
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''22:02'' '''harry-wood''' hehehe<br>
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''22:02'' '''harry-wood''' OK. Let's talk about it next time<br>
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''22:02'' '''rweait1''' And really, thank you harry-wood.<br>
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''22:02'' '''RichardF''' +1.<br>
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''22:02'' '''toffehoff''' +1<br>
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''22:03'' '''rweait1''' Good night all. Off to face rush-hour. :-(<br>
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''22:03'' '''harry-wood''' see you next time<br>
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''22:03'' '''harry-wood''' (I'll paste in the IRC log)<br>
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''22:03'' '''toffehoff''' rush-hour? at 11pm?<br>

Revision as of 22:25, 5 December 2011

Communication Working Group meeting on


Attendees

  • Richard Weait
  • Richard Fairhurst
  • Harry Wood
  • Jonathan Bennett
  • Henk Hoff

Topics

Actions

IRC log

20:48 toffehoff [~toffehoff@82.74.71.93] entered the room.
20:51 JonathanB [~jono@host86-190-88-134.wlms-broadband.com] entered the room.
20:52 JonathanB Nearly that time? Better go get a drink.
20:58 rweait1 [~nerd@bas10-toronto01-1096691757.dsl.bell.ca] entered the room.
20:58 rweait1 cwg coming up?
20:59 toffehoff think it is....
21:00 RichardF puts kettle on
21:00 rweait1 Ah, yes. An email from harry-wood moments ago. :-)
21:01 harry-wood hello
21:01 rweait1 Hello
21:02 rweait1 Shall we approve the previous minutes?
21:02 harry-wood I just edited the read through previous minutes (IRC log) and added actions
21:02 harry-wood http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/CWG_meeting_2011-11-28
21:04 toffehoff Happy to propose or second the minutes.
21:04 rweait1 I can't as I was away.
21:04 harry-wood I second them
21:04 rweait1 Okay, any updates on actions from last week?
21:05 rweait1 (No objections to the minutes, I presume. Let us know, otherwise)
21:05 toffehoff Still working on getting my thoughts on paper....
21:05 JonathanB I haven't spoken further to Tom Hughes yet...
21:05 harry-wood We launched the fund-raiser
21:05 rweait1 Bravo Harry-wood, up over 30% I think?
21:06 harry-wood' I failed to attend to attend the management team on Wednesday because I got confused and thought it was at 21
21:06 toffehoff getting to 40%
21:06 RichardF excellent
21:06 rweait1 I was at MT for LWG. as far as CWG goes, they want a budget from us.
21:06 toffehoff RichardW and I were there....
21:06 rweait1 And I see that is already on the list of topics.
21:07 rweait1 And we've offered to be all communicat-y for other WGs looking to talk about their successes.
21:07 rweait1 Do we think we need anything more than our 1k petty cash?
21:08 RichardF I think we decided last week that we didn't
21:08 JonathanB I don't think we have any definite needs that we could express at this point.
21:08 rweait1 Shall we call that "our budget" and advise MT?
21:08 RichardF yes, I'm good with that
21:08 harry-wood do we get 1k petty cash anyway?
21:08 toffehoff ye
21:08 toffehoff s
21:09 harry-wood should be plenty to keep us going with any little things that come up
21:09 rweait1 Anybody against the 1k petty cash plan?
21:09 toffehoff (to harry-wood's question)
21:09 rweait1 Somebody to write that up for MT?
21:09 toffehoff What's the 1k petty cash plan?
21:10 toffehoff Like in: that should do it, or is there some plan?
21:10 rweait1 That should do.
21:10 toffehoff ok
21:10 rweait1 Not sure what we'll do with it.
21:10 rweait1 :-)
21:10 toffehoff Like I said last week, I'm writing some thoughts down.
21:10 toffehoff But until then.
21:10 toffehoff ok
21:11 toffehoff (so it's up to me to bring it up again ;-) )
21:11 rweait1 Shall we wait another week then for your thoughts? No reason to rush you.
21:11 harry-wood do you want to give us a little preview of your thoughts?
21:11 harry-wood :-)
21:11 toffehoff Just quick....
21:11 toffehoff Trying to identify our main channels we want to communicate with
21:12 toffehoff To who we want to communicate with
21:12 toffehoff There are different groups of people with different info-needs
21:12 toffehoff Explore other ways of communicating (video-items, etc)
21:13 toffehoff Trying to get some marking campaigns (guerilla marketing and such)
21:13 JonathanB Hell, if we think it'll fly we can find a video producer to work with us.
21:13 RichardF or a gorilla
21:13 toffehoff that sort of things.
21:14 JonathanB I thought they just played drums?
21:14 toffehoff Don't need to do it all, but try to explore different ideas and see if it works.
21:14 rweait1 So you'll have your thoughts for discussion fo next meeting Henk, or would you like more time than that?
21:14 toffehoff And if it works, we could try and beef it up (like with a video producer).
21:15 toffehoff Let me try and have something ready for next week.
21:15 toffehoff That gives me deadline.
21:15 toffehoff to work with.
21:15 rweait1 Cool. So we'll hold off about the budget oending that.
21:15 rweait1 pending.
21:15 toffehoff okidoki
21:15 rweait1 JonathanB - Thinkup is pending?
21:16 JonathanB rweait1: Yeah, just need to find when TomH has some time to chat
21:16 rweait1 No problem.
21:16 rweait1 Think you can get him this week?
21:17 JonathanB I'll try my best
21:17 rweait1 I see that analytics is on me. iirc we have piwik on the rest of the site. I'd prefer to unify with piwik, rather than split piwik / G-analytics.
21:18 rweait1 How about if I ask TomH about that and see if it fits his requirements?
21:18 toffehoff I have access to piwik as well now. Looks very promising.
21:18 toffehoff I'm happy with sticking with piwik for now.
21:19 harry-wood rweait1: I was wondering though how the g-analytics are looking
21:19 harry-wood (those that we already have)
21:19 harry-wood You remember how to log in?
21:19 rweait1 I had a quick look two weeks ago iirc. and nothing jumped out as frightening.
21:20 toffehoff talking about piwik: could we add other websites of us as well?
21:20 toffehoff Like the osmfoundation.org
21:20 RichardF yes, you can add any number of sites to piwik
21:20 rweait1 sadly the whole logging in to multiple g-services is a dogs breakfast, and I'm not anxious to do that again.
21:20 rweait1 toffehoff: that's what I'm suggesting.
21:20 RichardF you just create a new site within piwik, and paste the JS include onto each page of the new site, which includes a unique site code
21:20 rweait1 No need for piwik AND G-analytics.
21:20 RichardF did exactly that today for a work website so can remember :)
21:21 toffehoff rweait1: didn't know for sure what you meant with unifying.
21:21 rweait1 So as long as it is fine with TomH, and I'll ask that, then everybody can have a look at performance of osmfoundation and odm.org, etc.
21:22 toffehoff cool
21:22 rweait1 OpenGeoData too, once it is in...
21:22 rweait1 Okay, anything else on analytics?
21:22 toffehoff so, that's on you to handle it?
21:22 rweait1 unless we have another suggestion or guidance?
21:23 toffehoff No, just checking ;-)
21:23 rweait1 Okay. Fund raising!
21:23 rweait1 Yay, Team!
21:23 harry-wood Fund raising going OK, but no big corporate donations
21:23 toffehoff Great work Harry (and Grant) in making it all happen!
21:24 rweait1 have we hit all the social media? I did FB and osm-us FB
21:24 JonathanB I did G+
21:24 RichardF and I did Twitter
21:24 toffehoff osmf-announce went out today
21:24 rweait1 osmfoundation and opengeodata are done.
21:24 harry-wood german translation on the blog
21:24 JonathanB Oh yes, I did announce as well
21:25 harry-wood Daniel B didn't translate to french yet.
21:25 harry-wood rweait1: you mentioned Eugene could do a russian translation
21:25 rweait1 (We need an account for Eugene to do Russian translations.)
21:25 rweait1 Yes.
21:25 toffehoff which brings me to: who do we have as translators?
21:25 harry-wood We have one german translator and one french translator
21:26 toffehoff ok.
21:26 toffehoff Which languages are we really looking for?
21:26 toffehoff Japanees?
21:26 harry-wood they're not all that quick at doing it. Not sure if it's a very rewarding job
21:26 rweait1 Any for which we can get reliable trasnaltions?
21:26 rweait1 Our top six or sever would be fantastic.
21:27 rweait1 that we have three now is good.
21:27 harry-wood I think we could do with having more translators for germand & french as well as other languages
21:27 harry-wood not sure if we need to vet people or how we can
21:27 rweait1 Indeed. Share the load.
21:28 rweait1 If only we had some WG or board members with multiple languages ...
21:28 toffehoff besides the problem of getting people: which languages would we be interested in?
21:28 toffehoff :-)
21:28 rweait1 en, fr, de, es, nl, ru, pt, ...
21:29 toffehoff pt?
21:29 harry-wood well the blog functions as a promotion thing for OSM, but also a channel to inform the existing community.
21:29 toffehoff being?
21:29 rweait1 or pt-br
21:29 rweait1 Portuguese?
21:29 toffehoff ok
21:29 toffehoff I could ping Ivan for the es
21:29 harry-wood should follow existing trends in the community, which happily should be the easiest thing recruitment-wise
21:30 toffehoff I also know someone who is pretty good in Dutch.
21:30 rweait1 Excellent.
21:30 rweait1 Introduce us?
21:30 rweait1 :-)
21:30 harry-wood hehehe
21:30 rweait1 We moved away from fundraising to language.
21:30 rweait1 do we need to do anything with the fundraising right now?
21:31 rweait1 What should we prepare to do shortly?
21:31 harry-wood We're still within a window of opportunity where this is a news story
21:31 harry-wood could try to get it into the press
21:32 JonathanB It's been picked up by Heise today, so there may be some secondary coverage because of that.
21:32 rweait1 let's talk about our press list in a bit.
21:32 rweait1 NIce to get Heise.
21:32 RichardF yep.
21:32 toffehoff +1
21:33 rweait1 harry-wood, anything you want us to do?
21:33 toffehoff I've put some names on our press list.
21:33 harry-wood cool
21:33 harry-wood let's all try to add some more I guess
21:34 toffehoff Not sure if they are the right people for a fund-raiser press release.
21:35 rweait1 Okay are we done with the fund raising for today?
21:35 harry-wood I have no time to work on it still
21:35 harry-wood but I think it's a good thing to blast out on any channels we can think of
21:36 rweait1 I put it on reddit the other day as well.
21:36 harry-wood Good idea. Anything you can think of like that
21:36 rweait1 could probably use some upvotes from the reddit.com/r/openstreetmap visitors
21:36 toffehoff Put the links in the press list
21:37 rweait1 okay press list. have we an announce list for press only or somehting?
21:37 rweait1 Or are we just putting them on the wiki for everybody to mail when they please?
21:38 rweait1 I think a press mailing list (outgoing) is a good idea.
21:38 toffehoff Some of the names I've put on the list are not for public use.
21:38 harry-wood well the list we have is a google spreadsheet
21:38 harry-wood shared edit access by link
21:39 rweait1 okay, how do we USE it though. not copy paste from Google, surely?
21:39 RichardF that's how I'd do it!
21:39 harry-wood need to build the list a bit more first, but I would've thought we use it be going down the list firing emails at all of them
21:39 harry-wood (or following other contact links)
21:40 rweait1 okay. I've got two more for the list. I'll add them this week.
21:41 harry-wood but certainly publications will be a more natural target for certain news stories
21:41 harry-wood I mean 'certain publications'
21:42 harry-wood we can do more targeted releases
21:42 toffehoff I'll try to ping the reporter of the WSJ to see what they're interested in.
21:43 harry-wood we discussed the idea of giving some people a quarterly report of some kind
21:43 harry-wood that could be noted on the spreadsheet too I guess
21:44 rweait1 Are we going to take on that quarterly newsletter / report as a task for CWG as well?
21:44 toffehoff Some magazines also accept an article that is written by a "guest" autor.
21:44 RichardF yep, IIRC Directions Magazine were up for that
21:44 RichardF really it would be good to get more volunteers for that. So, for example, DIrections would need GIS-friendly stories
21:44 RichardF so we could do with someone who knows about GIS stuff to write that
21:45 rweait1 looks towards ToeBee.  :-)
21:45 RichardF good plan!
21:45 rweait1 I'll ask him
21:46 rweait1 So tasks for our press list: Find More members for the List!
21:46 rweait1 anything else?
21:47 rweait1 Then we'll move on to languages, since that keeps coming up.
21:47 rweait1 We want to do more languages on the blog, but we are falling short of volunteers and / or process,
21:48 rweait1 How to fix?
21:48 harry-wood You OK to set up Eugene to start the russian translations?
21:48 harry-wood get him to do the about page first
21:48 rweait1 He seems happy to do it. I'll try to add the account and scream ifI need help.
21:48 toffehoff cool
21:49 rweait1 What else? Do we want to commit to Dutch as well?
21:50 rweait1 Perhaps we should aim for three translators per language? (But frankly I had trouble finding one to agree for french and Russian.
21:50 toffehoff We could, but as you all know, they do understand English very well.
21:50 harry-wood If I had time to take any actions… my idea to find translators would be to look through the active wiki translators, and try to cross-correlate with people with an OSMF banner
21:50 rweait1 Excellent.
21:50 rweait1 RichardF, want to take that as a task for next week?
21:50 harry-wood though not many people have the user page banner. A wider net would be to have the list of OSMF members
21:51 toffehoff Where's the list of active wiki translators?
21:51 toffehoff I can match them with the membership list.
21:51 harry-wood there isn't a list. It would a manual process to figure out who they are
21:52 toffehoff O joy.
21:52 rweait1 ;-) but thank you fo volunteering. :-)
21:52 toffehoff I can give it a start.
21:52 rweait1 With that settled, anything else before we break for the week?
21:53 harry-wood there are some listing mechanisms.. e.g. language userboxes (scroll to the bottom of my page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Harry_Wood )
21:53 harry-wood but that's not a list of active wiki translators
21:53 toffehoff thanks harry.
21:53 toffehoff It's a start
21:54 toffehoff So, first looking at the six languages mentioned above?
21:54 rweait1 so far we have one translator each for French and german, and a new one to start on Russian
21:54 rweait1 so Spanish, Dutch, Italian
21:55 rweait1 are all in the top six as well
21:55 toffehoff ok
21:55 rweait1 and we have too many American-speakers plus plenty of real English.
21:56 toffehoff And don't forget our Australian friends
21:56 rweait1 it would be SUPER AWESOME to get Japanese, Hindi, or Chinese on the list.
21:56 JonathanB We have Australian friends?
21:56 rweait1 can we leave that Aussie sniping out of the minutes?
21:56 JonathanB I'd suggest Chris Osborne for Japanese, but he's a bit busy right now.
21:56 harry-wood hehehe
21:57 harry-wood A key problem though is what's the motivation for blog translators
21:57 harry-wood it's hard work
21:57 toffehoff I can check with whats-his-name a German guy who lives in Japan.
21:57 toffehoff if he knows some people.
21:57 rweait1 Daniel ... ?
21:57 toffehoff Yes, that's the one.
21:57 harry-wood we need more translators so that its less hard work…. but maybe also thank them more publicly somehow
21:57 rweait1 Motivation? "reach out to the rest of your local community"
21:58 rweait1 It easier than writing the article yourself
21:58 rweait1 Absolutely thank them.
21:58 rweait1 Thank you, translators!
21:58 toffehoff I'll also check with the people who want to set up a local chapter.
21:58 rweait1 Perhaps they are "Foreign Correspondents"?
21:58 toffehoff Mucho Gracias
21:59 harry-wood yeah. I suppose maybe "hard work" is the wrong way to put it. It's hard and rather tedious work
21:59 toffehoff (or something like that)
21:59 rweait1 A, I have a budget idea. Henk I'll email you.
21:59 toffehoff :-)
21:59 rweait1 So are we all done for now.
21:59 rweait1 Next week same time?
21:59 rweait1 15 secdonds...
21:59 JonathanB Yep
21:59 rweait1 Excellent.
21:59 rweait1 Bye
22:00 toffehoff Bye
22:00 rweait1 With one second to spare. :-)
22:00 toffehoff btw: I might be a little late next week....
22:00 harry-wood there was one other thing I wanted to talk about
22:00 rweait1 Maybe email your budget thoughts in advance?
22:00 rweait1 Harry-wood go ahead.
22:00 harry-wood I need to step down as the nominated management team representative
22:01 harry-wood one too many meetings
22:01 rweait1 Okay, thanks for serving in that capacity.
22:01 rweait1 Volunteers?
22:01 harry-wood I support Management Team, and I think it's important, but… I need to re-claim some time somewhere
22:01 rweait1 next MT is in 9 days time, I think?
22:01 toffehoff Next wednesday, yes.
22:02 toffehoff next week i mean
22:02 rweait1 okay, will vote on who will volunteer next meeting. "Don't be late."  :-)
22:02 toffehoff dec 14th
22:02 harry-wood hehehe
22:02 harry-wood OK. Let's talk about it next time
22:02 rweait1 And really, thank you harry-wood.
22:02 RichardF +1.
22:02 toffehoff +1
22:03 rweait1 Good night all. Off to face rush-hour.  :-(
22:03 harry-wood see you next time
22:03 harry-wood (I'll paste in the IRC log)
22:03 toffehoff rush-hour? at 11pm?