View source for CWG meeting 2012-02-06

[[Communication Working Group]] meeting which took place Monday 6th February 2012

==Attendees==
* Henk Hoff
* Harry Wood
* Jonathan Bennett
* Richard Fairhurst
* Richard Weait

==Topics==
*

==IRC Log==

''20:59'' '''harry-wood''' : hello<br>
''20:59'' '''rweait1''' : hello.<br>
''20:59'' '''JonathanB''' : Evening.<br>
''21:00'' '''toffehoff''' : Hello all.<br>
''21:00'' '''toffehoff''' : I'm in a cafe in Salt Lake City.<br>
''21:00'' '''rweait1''' : Wow.  Enjoy your beer and joint.  :-/<br>
''21:00'' '''toffehoff''' : Hope this connection is better than last time I was on an "foreign" connection ;-)<br>
''21:01'' '''harry-wood''' : I'm in snowy London …except it mostly melted already<br>
''21:01'' '''rweait1''' : Can I add "Ulf's Legacy" to the agenda?<br>
''21:01'' '''toffehoff''' : Beer, in early afternoon …. Neuh...<br>
''21:01'' '''toffehoff''' : user.<br>
''21:01'' '''toffehoff''' : Sure I meant.<br>
''21:01'' '''rweait1''' : Beautiful t-shirt weather here in Toronto.<br>
''21:01'' '''rweait1''' : and a rare blue sky.<br>
''21:02'' '''rweait1''' : okay, who's starting us off?<br>
''21:02'' '''RichardF''' : hellooooo<br>
''21:02'' '''toffehoff''' : I've send you all an email about half an hour ago...<br>
''21:03'' '''harry-wood''' : ooh. Looks like we're missing IRC log from last time<br>
''21:03'' '''toffehoff''' : About the 2012 plan. If we agree, we can publish that onto the WG-page on osmf.org<br>
''21:03'' '''harry-wood''' : http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Working_Group_Minutes#Communication_Working_Group<br>
''21:04'' '''toffehoff''' : I'm afraid I don't have it....<br>
''21:04'' '''toffehoff''' : the IRC log.<br>
''21:04'' '''harry-wood''' : jonathanB here?  Dont suppose you have that do you?<br>
''21:04'' '''JonathanB''' : I do -- gimme five to reformat and I'll post.<br>
''21:05'' '''toffehoff''' : So, what's on today agenda?<br>
''21:05'' '''harry-wood''' : coool..  Just paste it in a &lt;pre> tag. We can sort it out later<br>
''21:05'' '''RichardF''' : I'll mention, just for the record:<br>
''21:06'' '''RichardF''' : a few months ago I discussed entering OSM for a thing in the Observer (UK newspaper) called "Britain's New Radicals"<br>
''21:06'' '''RichardF''' : about organisations that are changing the country and the world for the better<br>
''21:06'' '''RichardF''' : and CWG people said "sure, just do it"<br>
''21:06'' '''RichardF''' : anyway, I heard from them this week and we've been listed as one of the 50<br>
''21:06'' '''RichardF''' : so we get a nice mention in the Observer and everything<br>
''21:06'' '''harry-wood''' : cool<br>
''21:06'' '''toffehoff''' : :-)<br>
''21:06'' '''rweait1''' : Well done.<br>
''21:06'' '''harry-wood''' : anythng we need to do?<br>
''21:06'' '''RichardF''' : could possibly do with some images to send them if anyone has any suggestions!<br>
''21:07'' '''harry-wood''' : Maybe the one of TomH in reindeer antlers?<br>
''21:07'' '''RichardF''' : hmmmm ;)<br>
''21:07'' '''harry-wood''' : …no maybe not<br>
''21:08'' '''RichardF''' : well, I can probably find one anyway<br>
''21:08'' '''toffehoff''' : Maybe some of the featured images of the wiki?<br>
''21:08'' '''harry-wood''' : an image of the map<br>
''21:08'' '''RichardF''' : there's a nice one by a friend of Mikel on the Press pages which I'll ask him if we can use<br>
''21:09'' '''Blackadder''' : Did you find a log for last time? I might have it<br>
''21:09'' '''harry-wood''' : ooh hello Blackadder<br>
''21:09'' '''Blackadder''' : hi, was just passing ;-)<br>
''21:09'' '''harry-wood''' : think JonathanB has it<br>
''21:10'' '''Blackadder''' : cool. ping me if needed<br>
''21:10'' '''JonathanB''' : I do -- rough version now at http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/CWG_meeting_2012-01-23<br>
''21:10'' '''harry-wood''' : Next on the agenda...<br>
''21:10'' '''harry-wood''' : What the plan for the plan?<br>
''21:10'' '''harry-wood''' : Do we need to write more of a plan than that? Or those bullet points are enough?<br>
''21:11'' '''harry-wood''' : (see henk's email half an hour ago)<br>
''21:11'' '''rweait1''' : Has Henk swapped Dutch for Arabic to lighten his load?<br>
''21:12'' '''toffehoff''' : :-)<br>
''21:12'' '''rweait1''' : Do we have a lead on an Arabic-speaking contributor?<br>
''21:12'' '''toffehoff''' : I remember we had a discussion a couple of weeks ago about the languages would like to have.<br>
''21:12'' '''toffehoff''' : Arabic was one of our "challenges"<br>
''21:13'' '''rweait1''' : I don't have any objection to those four points.<br>
''21:14'' '''toffehoff''' : The only thing we may want to add is if we expect to spend any budget on these items.<br>
''21:16'' '''rweait1''' : toffehoff, I can't see why we would.  Would we hire a translator for a community that isn't interested enough to translate for themselves?<br>
''21:16'' '''toffehoff''' : If we do not expect to spend any budget, that's ok. If we do, it may be good to mention it.<br>
''21:17'' '''harry-wood''' : Maybe "expanding the number of active CWG members"  doesn't need to be one of the bullet points.  It's kind of a meta-plan.  We need more people to some other things we're planning<br>
''21:17'' '''harry-wood''' : Taking on more communication challenges within the community, such as work on documentation<br>
''21:17'' '''RichardF''' : +1<br>
''21:18'' '''toffehoff''' : What kind of documentation are we talking about?<br>
''21:18'' '''JonathanB''' : Yes -- "more people" is like "more money"<br>
''21:18'' '''RichardF''' : toffehoff: simplifying common aspects of OSM in the same way that switch2osm simplifies getting maps onto your own site<br>
''21:19'' '''toffehoff''' : I think the Engineering WG also has a target to make more technical documention available.<br>
''21:19'' '''JonathanB''' : ...and that's something we can offer to help with<br>
''21:19'' '''toffehoff''' : Fine, just so we do not duplicate things....<br>
''21:19'' '''harry-wood''' : documentation may mean new websites explaining things, or improving existing documents on the wiki.  But also some grand unified plan for different attempts at documentation<br>
''21:20'' '''JonathanB''' : (full Minutes up at http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/CWG_meeting_2012-01-23 now)<br>
''21:20'' '''rweait1''' : no objections to any of that from me.  <br>
''21:20'' '''JonathanB''' : What we seem to be missing is a grand front page to *all* OSM documentation<br>
''21:21'' '''harry-wood''' : Yes. And trying scope out the different docs so that it's clear where to go for what<br>
''21:21'' '''toffehoff''' : Sounds great.<br>
''21:22'' '''rweait1''' : anything else to add or remove from that plan, or can we move on?<br>
''21:23'' '''toffehoff''' : So: remove the # of members and add the documentation item?<br>
''21:23'' '''JonathanB''' : +1 to that<br>
''21:24'' '''RichardF''' : yep<br>
''21:24'' '''toffehoff''' : OK, will send this around on management@ and put it on our page on osmf.org<br>
''21:25'' '''toffehoff''' : Next?<br>
''21:25'' '''toffehoff''' : Ulf's legacy?<br>
''21:25'' '''rweait1''' : Right.<br>
''21:25'' '''rweait1''' : Background<br>
''21:26'' '''toffehoff''' : See also mail of rweait1 @ Jan 29th.<br>
''21:26'' '''rweait1''' : Ulf's family have asked that OSMF receive funds from those who wish to honour Ulf, as a way to continue Ulf's good work and interest in OSM.<br>
''21:26'' '''rweait1''' : Board appears to be fine with CWG taking lead on this.<br>
''21:27'' '''rweait1''' : So we need to 1) set up to recive the funds 2) announce<br>
''21:27'' '''rweait1''' : and 3) decide what to do with the funds.<br>
''21:27'' '''rweait1''' : as a suitable legacy.<br>
''21:27'' '''rweait1''' : Sound good?<br>
''21:28'' '''harry-wood''' : yes.<br>
''21:28'' '''harry-wood''' : We need to be set up to receive donations from germany… which seemed to be a problem in the past<br>
''21:28'' '''rweait1''' : receiving Euro transfers is now set up and on the wiki.<br>
''21:29'' '''harry-wood''' : Cool. Does that solve it?<br>
''21:29'' '''rweait1''' : any memo field with "Ulf Moeller" would make the contribution trackable.<br>
''21:29'' '''rweait1''' : comments are already included in paypal payments.<br>
''21:29'' '''toffehoff''' : We could also make a special paypal donation button<br>
''21:30'' '''rweait1''' : I think the tricky part is "what to do with the fund."<br>
''21:30'' '''toffehoff''' : which automatically adds a remark.<br>
''21:30'' '''harry-wood''' : 2) announce <—   No problems with that.  I think we're getting quite good a announcing things<br>
''21:31'' '''harry-wood''' : We'd need to decide how to announce it exactly.  Depends what we're announcing.<br>
''21:31'' '''rweait1''' : we could consume the fund all at once to do something "big", or a bit at a time, over time, to do something smaller, but for several years...<br>
''21:31'' '''toffehoff''' : It would be good to have a rough idea on what we're going to do with it.<br>
''21:31'' '''rweait1''' : suggestions have been, 1) sponsor attendee for SotM.<br>
''21:31'' '''JonathanB''' : Something, say, annual would provide a longer legacy<br>
''21:32'' '''toffehoff''' : JonathanB: +1<br>
''21:32'' '''rweait1''' : 2) donate GPS(es) to someone, each year<br>
''21:33'' '''rweait1''' : Right.  so if the fund is 2-3k, can it bear interest, and buy a GPSr (or two) each year?<br>
''21:33'' '''toffehoff''' : When we're talking about donating GPS-es, we could rename the maps4all project ....<br>
''21:33'' '''rweait1''' : Perhaps award those to German Cyclist mappers?<br>
''21:33'' '''rweait1''' : you mean GPS2Go?<br>
''21:34'' '''harry-wood''' : maps3all is kind of the new name for GPS2go I think<br>
''21:34'' '''toffehoff''' : Yes, the plan is to revamp it under the maps4all name.<br>
''21:34'' '''harry-wood''' : which is well underway<br>
''21:34'' '''harry-wood''' : so probably best not to suggest renaming it again :-)<br>
''21:35'' '''rweait1''' : I think we want to come to a decision on this fairly soon.  And I think we want more ideasfrom which to choose.<br>
''21:35'' '''toffehoff''' : If we want to do it, we need to be quick.<br>
''21:35'' '''harry-wood''' : I like the sponsor SOTM attendee idea<br>
''21:35'' '''harry-wood''' : how to pick a winner?<br>
''21:35'' '''JonathanB''' : That could eat up 1000s per year<br>
''21:36'' '''harry-wood''' : yes it could be expensive<br>
''21:36'' '''toffehoff''' : I like the gps-es a bit more, since it's more scalable.<br>
''21:36'' '''RichardF''' : I like the idea of using it to encourage real on-the-ground mapping.<br>
''21:36'' '''RichardF''' : We don't do that enough.<br>
''21:36'' '''rweait1''' : RichardF +1<br>
''21:36'' '''RichardF''' : so, either GPSes or some form of mapping prize.<br>
''21:36'' '''rweait1''' : That strikes me as Ulf, to a "T"<br>
''21:37'' '''rweait1''' : The photos I've seen of him, are Ulf with his bike and a GPS.  <br>
''21:37'' '''toffehoff''' : Pardon my French: "to a 'T'" ?<br>
''21:37'' '''rweait1''' : Do we give away GPSrs, or a GPSr and a bike?<br>
''21:37'' '''rweait1''' : toffehoff: To A "T".  (A perfect Match)<br>
''21:37'' '''rweait1''' : :-)<br>
''21:38'' '''toffehoff''' : ah…. :-)<br>
''21:38'' '''rweait1''' : picking a winner.  Hard problem again.<br>
''21:38'' '''rweait1''' : Accept nominations?  <br>
''21:38'' '''toffehoff''' : What are the criteria?<br>
''21:38'' '''rweait1''' : random chance from those who map a cycleway?<br>
''21:39'' '''RichardF''' : accept nominations. that rewards community, too.<br>
''21:39'' '''RichardF''' : i.e. people have to like you :)<br>
''21:39'' '''toffehoff''' : RichardF: _1<br>
''21:39'' '''toffehoff''' : +1<br>
''21:40'' '''rweait1''' : Okay, before we get too deep in this, do we have other topics for today?<br>
''21:40'' '''toffehoff''' : Any communication we need to help with relating the license change?<br>
''21:40'' '''rweait1''' : translations for the post on blog...<br>
''21:41'' '''harry-wood''' : yes that need translating<br>
''21:41'' '''rweait1''' : harry-wood shall I send a note to the translators?<br>
''21:41'' '''harry-wood''' : athough confusingly it can also be translated on the wiki<br>
''21:42'' '''rweait1''' : anything else, or should we continue with Ulf?<br>
''21:42'' '''harry-wood''' : if somebody posts a translation on the blog we should make sure it gets copied to the wiki quickly   or vice versa<br>
''21:42'' '''harry-wood''' : what could go wrong ?:-)<br>
''21:42'' '''harry-wood''' : I think mostly we could do with pinging our normal translating folks yes<br>
''21:43'' '''rweait1''' : I will do that tonight.<br>
''21:43'' '''toffehoff''' : Anything we need to do with switch2osm?<br>
''21:43'' '''harry-wood''' : RichardF what d'you think?<br>
''21:43'' '''RichardF''' : nope, don't think so<br>
''21:43'' '''harry-wood''' : looking good<br>
''21:44'' '''RichardF''' : I'll set up some translation infrastructure for it in due course but am waiting for it to calm down first :)<br>
''21:44'' '''harry-wood''' : Aforo mamoemoroere  blasssrssson   was pointing out that we could have a page on google maps javascript & osm tiles<br>
''21:44'' '''harry-wood''' : ^my attempt at spelling an icelandic name<br>
''21:45'' '''rweait1''' : What about an "Ulf Moeller Memorial Mapper of the Year Award"  with no attached prize.  Just recognition.<br>
''21:46'' '''harry-wood''' : yeah. that doesn't solve the what to spend the money on question<br>
''21:46'' '''harry-wood''' : but maybe the money could just go to OSMF  …boring though that is<br>
''21:46'' '''rweait1''' : something like: "for recognition of excellence in mapping cycle infrastructure"  <br>
''21:46'' '''harry-wood''' : hehe<br>
''21:46'' '''rweait1''' : we coudl even add the GPS to that until we run out of GPS money.<br>
''21:47'' '''RichardF''' : rweait1: good idea<br>
''21:47'' '''rweait1''' : or "cycle infrastructure and local community."<br>
''21:47'' '''toffehoff''' : Good idea, but the name needs tweaking, so it also hints to cycle-infrastructure.<br>
''21:47'' '''rweait1''' : I'd like to propose that the Foundation chip in an amount for the fund.<br>
''21:48'' '''rweait1''' : toffehoff, sure.<br>
''21:48'' '''rweait1''' : The CyclePath Award.  :-)<br>
''21:48'' '''rweait1''' : (not serious)<br>
''21:49'' '''toffehoff''' : The Off-The-Beaten-Track award.<br>
''21:49'' '''harry-wood''' : The "highway=cycleway or is it cycle=yes" award<br>
''21:49'' '''rweait1''' : Or leave it as "The Ulf Moeller Memorial Award" and leave the details subject to refinement over time...<br>
''21:50'' '''toffehoff''' : We could leave it like that for now.<br>
''21:50'' '''toffehoff''' : More interesting are the criteria for the award.<br>
''21:51'' '''rweait1''' : Do we leave criteria and judging in the hands of CWG as well?<br>
''21:51'' '''toffehoff''' : I think we can agree on it being a nomination-based award.<br>
''21:51'' '''toffehoff''' : That's a good question...<br>
''21:51'' '''harry-wood''' : unless we don't get enough nominations<br>
''21:51'' '''toffehoff''' : I didn't say who needs to nominate ;-)<br>
''21:52'' '''rweait1''' : maybe email ideas this week and I'll provide a summary for next week?<br>
''21:52'' '''harry-wood''' : Also what if we get an embarrassing amount of money to spend on an award?<br>
''21:52'' '''toffehoff''' : We could let the community vote on the winner.<br>
''21:52'' '''rweait1''' : With the goal of hiving this done and ready to annoucemnext week.<br>
''21:52'' '''rweait1''' : harry-wood.  That could happen.<br>
''21:52'' '''rweait1''' : Include a bike in the first award?<br>
''21:53'' '''rweait1''' : Buy a server for cycle map tiles?<br>
''21:53'' '''JonathanB''' : We could approach a bike manufacturer for the first year<br>
''21:53'' '''rweait1''' : Oh yes, we could<br>
''21:53'' '''rweait1''' : +1<br>
''21:53'' '''toffehoff''' : +1<br>
''21:53'' '''rweait1''' : and thne buy a bike for the second year.<br>
''21:53'' '''rweait1''' : etc.<br>
''21:53'' '''rweait1''' : One problem at a time I guess.<br>
''21:54'' '''toffehoff''' : :-)<br>
''21:54'' '''toffehoff''' : It's getting near the hour.<br>
''21:54'' '''rweait1''' : Thanks for indulging me.<br>
''21:54'' '''harry-wood''' : so if we have get an embarrassing amount of money then it goes to next years prize fund<br>
''21:54'' '''rweait1''' : we can adapt.  <br>
''21:54'' '''toffehoff''' : I would be great if we can make something lasting out of it.<br>
''21:55'' '''RichardF''' : a bike is a really great idea.<br>
''21:55'' '''rweait1''' : We could make an annual donation to a victims of violence fund or something.<br>
''21:55'' '''rweait1''' : Provide map consulting for a victim shelter.<br>
''21:55'' '''toffehoff''' : Let's see how much we end up with first....<br>
''21:55'' '''rweait1''' : Okay.  Send me brainstorms this week.<br>
''21:56'' '''rweait1''' : and bike manufacturers.<br>
''21:56'' '''rweait1''' : anything else?<br>
''21:56'' '''harry-wood''' : sounds like a plan<br>
''21:56'' '''harry-wood''' : I went to management team meeting on Wednesday<br>
''21:57'' '''harry-wood''' : we discussed one topic only.  License change and the DB "rebuild" process<br>
''21:58'' '''harry-wood''' : There's a rebuild mailing list where technicalities of a the DB rebuild are being discussed.<br>
''21:58'' '''rweait1''' : How'd that go?<br>
''21:58'' '''harry-wood''' : This is super-important   and on the critical path for license changeover on april 1st<br>
''21:59'' '''harry-wood''' : but it's not particularly helpful to shout about that mailing list far and wide and try to get lots of people on there.<br>
''22:00'' '''harry-wood''' : The communication challenge is mainly this contact & re-map campaign<br>
''22:01'' '''harry-wood''' : There was some lively discussion about whether or not april 1st should be regarded as a solid deadline.<br>
''22:01'' '''rweait1''' : what were the arguments for and against?<br>
''22:02'' '''harry-wood''' : Frederick is very involved in the technicalities and was keen to say that the job should be done right, and if this mean taking a month or two longer, then so be it<br>
''22:03'' '''harry-wood''' : SteveC said …some things which wound up Frederick<br>
''22:04'' '''rweait1''' : oh really?<br>
''22:04'' '''harry-wood''' : suffice to say there will certainly be some people who regard it as a major failure if we do not hit the April 1st deadline<br>
''22:04'' '''JonathanB''' : For what reason?<br>
''22:04'' '''harry-wood''' : major failure of the board,  the foundation,   and of OpenStreetMap   (from an outsiders perspective)<br>
''22:04'' '''rweait1''' : hmm, I don't recall that from any discussion at LWG.  We all just want it done right.<br>
''22:05'' '''RichardF''' : I think we'll hit it.<br>
''22:05'' '''rweait1''' : How so from outsiders?  What do outsiders know about it?<br>
''22:05'' '''toffehoff''' : They can't get anything done "They are an unreliable group" that kind of thing.<br>
''22:05'' '''JonathanB''' : rweait1: +1<br>
''22:05'' '''rweait1''' : The license change is such a tiny, arcane bit of nonsense.  <br>
''22:05'' '''rweait1''' : It's important to US, but outsiders?!?!<br>
''22:05'' '''harry-wood''' : Well there's a fun debate to have there certainly<br>
''22:05'' '''rweait1''' : Every time I speak to groups about the license, they glaze over with indifference.<br>
''22:06'' '''rweait1''' : Who, outside of OSM(F) could possibly care?<br>
''22:06'' '''toffehoff''' : Organisations who want to use OSM data.<br>
''22:06'' '''rweait1''' : Not iPhone app authers.  They jsut want free tiles. :-)<br>
''22:06'' '''toffehoff''' : Companies in the automotive industry<br>
''22:07'' '''RichardF''' : why wouldn't we hit it? we know what we're doing and we've got the smartest technical guys there are.<br>
''22:07'' '''rweait1''' : Right.  <br>
''22:07'' '''harry-wood''' : yes.  My view is we should be aiming to hit it.  We've got two months.  Lots can happen in two months<br>
''22:08'' '''rweait1''' : But why would we care what Anonymous auto manufacturer says, if Frederik says we need another four weeks?<br>
''22:08'' '''harry-wood''' : so the work of the "rebuild" group is super important<br>
''22:08'' '''JonathanB''' : We can definitely hit it in as much as we can start offering an ODBL-only planet<br>
''22:08'' '''toffehoff''' : There are two things: the remapping effort and the rebuilt effort.<br>
''22:08'' '''rweait1''' : Really.  If anonymous auto manufacturer is so interested, where are they helping us?<br>
''22:08'' '''toffehoff''' : Who says that they aren't?<br>
''22:09'' '''rweait1''' : They know that we do everything with volunteers don't they?<br>
''22:09'' '''toffehoff''' : Yes, but at some point they are not waiting any longer. Having heard we're working on a new license for more than a year ....<br>
''22:10'' '''harry-wood''' : Are we having a practice run for the debate we need to have with the community when we don't hit the target date? :-)<br>
''22:10'' '''rweait1''' : toffehoff.  So what?<br>
''Blackadder left the room (quit: Quit: heading for the next unmapped place=).''<br>
''22:10'' '''rweait1''' : How does that affect them?<br>
''22:10'' '''rweait1''' : effect.<br>
''22:11'' '''toffehoff''' : You mean, how the license effect them?<br>
''22:11'' '''rweait1''' : Yeah.  Why do they care?<br>
''22:11'' '''rweait1''' : And if they care, why aren't they helping, instead of hiding?<br>
''22:11'' '''toffehoff''' : Having way much more clarity on the derived works.<br>
''22:12'' '''rweait1''' : Sounds like nonsense to me.  I can't see an auto manufacturer caring a bit about the license.<br>
''22:12'' '''toffehoff''' : Recently talked with a municipality in NL. They want to use OSM as background layer. But not want to open up some of their data due to privacy issues and such.<br>
''22:13'' '''RichardF''' : would encourage people to remap rather than arguing about whether or not we might hit it ;)<br>
''22:13'' '''RichardF''' : and yes, I am saying that with Cornwall open in P2 on my other monitor!<br>
''22:13'' '''rweait1''' : and with that change of subject, are we done?  :-)<br>
''22:13'' '''toffehoff''' : I think we are.<br>
''22:14'' '''harry-wood''' : Regarding CWG.  We may well be in the position of defending the "failures" on this one, but for now I think we can agree that it would be ….nice  ….if we hit the april 1st target<br>
''22:14'' '''harry-wood''' : other communcation aspects<br>
''22:14'' '''harry-wood''' : are all about contact & remap campaign<br>
''22:14'' '''harry-wood''' : if we can think of any way CWG can assist the "rebuild" group…    we should do it<br>
''22:15'' '''harry-wood''' : e.g.  do they want regular conference calls which we can help with in some way?  probably not.  Mostly we'd be getting in the way I imagine<br>
''22:15'' '''rweait1''' : Mike's not shy.  He'll ask if he wants something.<br>
''22:15'' '''toffehoff''' : I think our focus should be on contact & remap campaign.<br>
''22:15'' '''rweait1''' : LWG meetings are Tuesdays<br>
''22:16'' '''rweait1''' : All done then?  same/same next week?<br>
''22:16'' '''toffehoff''' : Til next week!<br>
''22:17'' '''harry-wood''' : ok!<br>
''22:17'' '''RichardF''' : bye!<br>
''22:17'' '''harry-wood''' : bye the way I propose the previous minutes<br>
''22:18'' '''harry-wood''' : which jonathanB has formatted nicely<br>
''22:18'' '''toffehoff''' : I'll second.<br>
''22:18'' '''harry-wood''' : ( http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/CWG_meeting_2012-01-23 ) excellent<br>
''22:19'' '''toffehoff''' : going offline now. Bye!<br>
''22:19'' ''toffehoff left the room.''