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'''Thursday April 9th 2020, 20:00 - 21:00 UTC'''<br>
 
'''Thursday April 9th 2020, 20:00 - 21:00 UTC'''<br>
   
<font color="red">Draft agenda. </font>
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<font color="red">Draft minutes. </font>
   
 
== Participants ==
 
== Participants ==
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* Simon Poole ''(chairing)''
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* Kathleen Lu
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* Michael Cheng
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* Jim Vidano
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* Guillaume Rischard ''(board, MWG)''
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* Nuno Caldeira ''(<nowiki>joined ~ 4'05'' after start</nowiki>)''
   
 
Guests:
 
Guests:
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=== Adoption of past Minutes ===
 
=== Adoption of past Minutes ===
* [[Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2020-03-12|2020-03-12]]
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* [[Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2020-03-12|2020-03-12]] Accepted
   
 
=== Previous Action Items ===
 
=== Previous Action Items ===
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* 2018-03-08 '''All''' to look at the Working Groups collecting personal information.
 
* 2018-03-08 '''All''' to look at the Working Groups collecting personal information.
 
* 2018-04-12 '''LWG''' to follow-up on the iD editor, as the number of changesets is now included on the changeset comments thread.
 
* 2018-04-12 '''LWG''' to follow-up on the iD editor, as the number of changesets is now included on the changeset comments thread.
* 2018-04-12 '''Simon''' to contact openstreetmap.cymru. The LWG will allow use of domain name on the condition that if there's local group in the future, they will have to concede control to them and get agreement in writing, so that if domain expires it doesn't get squatted on.
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* <s>2018-04-12 '''Simon''' to contact openstreetmap.cymru. The LWG will allow use of domain name on the condition that if there's local group in the future, they will have to concede control to them and get agreement in writing, so that if domain expires it doesn't get squatted on.</s>
 
* 2018-05-10 '''Jim''' to sign the LWG NDA.
 
* 2018-05-10 '''Jim''' to sign the LWG NDA.
 
* 2018-10-11 '''Simon''' to ask the board to contact the Working Groups about the NDA and ask people to sign up.
 
* 2018-10-11 '''Simon''' to ask the board to contact the Working Groups about the NDA and ask people to sign up.
 
* 2019-01-10 '''Simon''' to draft text to developers of apps related to geo/mapping, having OSM in their names or using variations of our logo.
 
* 2019-01-10 '''Simon''' to draft text to developers of apps related to geo/mapping, having OSM in their names or using variations of our logo.
 
* 2019-02-14 '''Simon''' to summarise the advice regarding information requests from law enforcement and send it around.
 
* 2019-02-14 '''Simon''' to summarise the advice regarding information requests from law enforcement and send it around.
* 2019-07-11 '''Kathleen''' to draft one-line attribution statement for the Tile Licence and get feedback from the LWG.
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* <s>2019-07-11 '''Kathleen''' to draft one-line attribution statement for the Tile Licence and get feedback from the LWG.</s>
* 2019-10-10 '''Simon''' draft letter to board wrt PD checkbox.
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* <s>2019-10-10 '''Simon''' to draft letter to board wrt PD checkbox.</s>
* 2019-12-12 '''Simon''' to discuss trademark registration strategy (more countries, additional classes, etc) with lawdit
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* 2019-12-12 '''Simon''' to discuss trademark registration strategy (more countries, additional classes, etc) with lawdit.
* 2019-12-12 '''Simon''' to get back to Uni Heidelberg wrt track issue
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* 2019-12-12 '''Simon''' to get back to Uni Heidelberg wrt track issue.
 
* 2020-01-09 '''Simon''' to include text about downstream produced works to the FAQ.
 
* 2020-01-09 '''Simon''' to include text about downstream produced works to the FAQ.
 
* 2020-01-09 '''Kathleen''' to produce 1-2 sentences about osm.org tile licence, to be included on copyright page.
 
* 2020-01-09 '''Kathleen''' to produce 1-2 sentences about osm.org tile licence, to be included on copyright page.
 
* 2020-03-12 '''Simon''' to send email or fax to Moovit.
 
* 2020-03-12 '''Simon''' to send email or fax to Moovit.
* 2020-03-12 '''Simon''' to send to Mateusz the link with the research by Kathleen on attribution on various apps.
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* <s>2020-03-12 '''Simon''' to send to Mateusz the link with the research by Kathleen on attribution on various apps.</s>
 
* 2020-03-12 '''Guillaume''' to talk to the board and get back to the LWG after the board's screen to screen meeting. Suggested feedback to include if the LWG should continue with the attribution guidance in some form as it is now.
 
* 2020-03-12 '''Guillaume''' to talk to the board and get back to the LWG after the board's screen to screen meeting. Suggested feedback to include if the LWG should continue with the attribution guidance in some form as it is now.
   
 
== Reportage ==
 
== Reportage ==
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'''PD checkbox'''<br>
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On board’s hands now.
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Options: ignore it/remove it/discussion.
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<u>Mentioned during LWG discussion</u>
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* Suggestion that the board takes it off, posts a blogpost about why and invites discussion about the original intention of the box.
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* Political decision.
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''<nowiki> ~ 4'05''</nowiki> after start: Nuno Caldeira joined.''
   
 
== Tile licence ==
 
== Tile licence ==
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''Proposal: recommend to the board to resolve to change the tile licence to the ODbL 1.0.''
 
''Proposal: recommend to the board to resolve to change the tile licence to the ODbL 1.0.''
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''Past related LWG minutes:''
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* ''2020 [[Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2020-01-09#Osm.org_Tile_licence| Jan]]''
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* ''2019 [[Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2019-05-09#.E2.80.9CStandard.E2.80.9D_style_tiles_licence| May]], [[Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2019-07-11#Tile_Licence| Jul]], [[Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2019-10-10#Tile_licence| Oct]], [[Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2019-11-14#Tile_licence| Nov]]''
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''Past related board minutes:''
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* ''2019 [[Board/Minutes/2019-06-19#Recommendation_by_LWG_on_a_future_.22tile-licence.22| Jun]]''
 
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'''Proposal unanimously accepted''' ''(Guillaume did not vote)''.
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'''Action item:''' Simon to email the board with recommendation to change the tile licence to the ODbL 1.0.
   
 
== OpenFricheMap trademark ==
 
== OpenFricheMap trademark ==
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|''Opposition deadline 20 MAY 2020''
 
|''Opposition deadline 20 MAY 2020''
 
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* Registered in class 42.
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* Want to provide map services under that name.
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* Seems OSM-friendly.
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<u>Other points mentioned during discussion</u>
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* Simon has already emailed the board of the French LC if they had any communication with them but didn't get a response.
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* Unknown whether the deadline is extendable.
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* Better for French or international community members to approach them, rather than lawyers.
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'''Action item:''' Guillaume to contact [http://www.safer-paca.com/tag/open-friche-map/ Safer].
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=== Discussion about similar cases and general info ===
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2 other cases, one which we "lost/half-won", as they removed the most concerning classes from their registration.
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<u>Trademark registration</u>: Clear formal way of intervening before registration.
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<u>Domain name registration</u>: No equivalent.
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* New top level domain registration - Sunrise period.
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** We have registration with a Clearinghouse for that.
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** For some top-level domains: notification sent.
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** Doesn't stop people from registering a domain - dispute resolution process has to be used.
   
 
== Any Other Business ==
 
== Any Other Business ==
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=== Attribution ===
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'''Action item:''' Guillaume will talk to stakeholders to see what would be workable.
   
 
== Next Meeting ==
 
== Next Meeting ==

Latest revision as of 18:17, 11 May 2020

OpenStreetMap Foundation, Licensing Working Group - Agenda & Minutes
Thursday April 9th 2020, 20:00 - 21:00 UTC

Draft minutes.

Participants

  • Simon Poole (chairing)
  • Kathleen Lu
  • Michael Cheng
  • Jim Vidano
  • Guillaume Rischard (board, MWG)
  • Nuno Caldeira (joined ~ 4'05'' after start)

Guests:

Apologies:

Administrative

Adoption of past Minutes

Previous Action Items

  • 2017-03-02 Simon to determine existing obligations towards sources listed on the copyright page.
  • 2017-05-04 All/Simon to review import guidelines wrt licence “approval”.
  • 2018-03-08 All to look at the Working Groups collecting personal information.
  • 2018-04-12 LWG to follow-up on the iD editor, as the number of changesets is now included on the changeset comments thread.
  • 2018-04-12 Simon to contact openstreetmap.cymru. The LWG will allow use of domain name on the condition that if there's local group in the future, they will have to concede control to them and get agreement in writing, so that if domain expires it doesn't get squatted on.
  • 2018-05-10 Jim to sign the LWG NDA.
  • 2018-10-11 Simon to ask the board to contact the Working Groups about the NDA and ask people to sign up.
  • 2019-01-10 Simon to draft text to developers of apps related to geo/mapping, having OSM in their names or using variations of our logo.
  • 2019-02-14 Simon to summarise the advice regarding information requests from law enforcement and send it around.
  • 2019-07-11 Kathleen to draft one-line attribution statement for the Tile Licence and get feedback from the LWG.
  • 2019-10-10 Simon to draft letter to board wrt PD checkbox.
  • 2019-12-12 Simon to discuss trademark registration strategy (more countries, additional classes, etc) with lawdit.
  • 2019-12-12 Simon to get back to Uni Heidelberg wrt track issue.
  • 2020-01-09 Simon to include text about downstream produced works to the FAQ.
  • 2020-01-09 Kathleen to produce 1-2 sentences about osm.org tile licence, to be included on copyright page.
  • 2020-03-12 Simon to send email or fax to Moovit.
  • 2020-03-12 Simon to send to Mateusz the link with the research by Kathleen on attribution on various apps.
  • 2020-03-12 Guillaume to talk to the board and get back to the LWG after the board's screen to screen meeting. Suggested feedback to include if the LWG should continue with the attribution guidance in some form as it is now.

Reportage

PD checkbox
On board’s hands now.

Options: ignore it/remove it/discussion.

Mentioned during LWG discussion

  • Suggestion that the board takes it off, posts a blogpost about why and invites discussion about the original intention of the box.
  • Political decision.

~ 4'05'' after start: Nuno Caldeira joined.

Tile licence

See “Standard” style tiles licence

We originally suggested to switch to CC BY 4.0 with a waiver of certain terms, this however was too controversial in public discussion. Our fallback position was to simply state that the tiles are available on the relevant (that is Produced Work) ODbL terms, which seemed to be largely uncontroversial.

Proposal: recommend to the board to resolve to change the tile licence to the ODbL 1.0.

Past related LWG minutes:

Past related board minutes:

Proposal unanimously accepted (Guillaume did not vote).

Action item: Simon to email the board with recommendation to change the tile licence to the ODbL 1.0.

OpenFricheMap trademark

Opposition deadline 20 MAY 2020
  • Registered in class 42.
  • Want to provide map services under that name.
  • Seems OSM-friendly.

Other points mentioned during discussion

  • Simon has already emailed the board of the French LC if they had any communication with them but didn't get a response.
  • Unknown whether the deadline is extendable.
  • Better for French or international community members to approach them, rather than lawyers.

Action item: Guillaume to contact Safer.

Discussion about similar cases and general info

2 other cases, one which we "lost/half-won", as they removed the most concerning classes from their registration.

Trademark registration: Clear formal way of intervening before registration.

Domain name registration: No equivalent.

  • New top level domain registration - Sunrise period.
    • We have registration with a Clearinghouse for that.
    • For some top-level domains: notification sent.
    • Doesn't stop people from registering a domain - dispute resolution process has to be used.

Any Other Business

Attribution

Action item: Guillaume will talk to stakeholders to see what would be workable.

Next Meeting

May 14th 2020 20:00 UTC on Mumble