Board/Minutes/Board/Minutes/2022-02-S2S/Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team

Notes by participants. Might be enriched.

Define steps towards a formalized relationship with HOT

This session took place in parallel with "Parallel session: Identify more effective ways of getting foundation work done - Executive director". A summary was provided to the other group.

Attendees

• Eugene Villar
• Jean-Marc Liotier
• Roland Olbricht

Not Present

• Mikel Maron

Officers and board
Biographies

Post-meeting addition of background by Dorothea Kazazi.

Background

OSMF is currently talking with the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT) and is working on a draft agreement regarding granting rights for the use of OSM marks. Related (not exhaustive list) 2022-02-17 LWG - HOT trademark agreement 2022-02-10 Board - Any other business: HOT draft trademark agreement (Mid month board chat - not open to observers. Amanda McCann to check the latest related email). 2021-09-27 Board and LWG meeting on HOT draft trademark agreement. 2021-09-10 Board - HOT draft trademark agreement (Mid-month board chat - not open to observers) 2021-09-09 LWG - Followup on HOT draft trademark agreement 2021-08-13 Board - HOT trademark grant (Mid-month board chat) 2021-08-12 LWG - HOT draft trademark agreement 2021-07-08 LWG - HOT draft trademark agreement questions 2021-06-10 LWG - Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team trademark 2021-05-13 LWG - Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team trademark 2021-04-08 LWG - Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team trademark 2021-03-11 LWG - Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team trademark 2021-02-26 Board - Public board meeting 2021-02-24 Board - Approved £1800 for consultation by Lawdit on the HOT trademark grant 2021-02-12 Board - Board chat (Mid-month board chat - not open to observers) 2021-01-19 HOT and OSMF board members meeting (Participants: McCann (OSMF board) and Abelshausen (HOT board)) 2021-01-14 HOT board and OSMF board meeting. 2020-12 HOT emailed the OSMF board regarding coordination between OSMF and HOT in order to improve OSM as a global project and suggested meetings of the two boards. 2020-06-24 HOT and OSMF board members meeting on OSMF-HOT collaboration (not on the trademark).(Participants from OSMF board: Mikel Maron, Paul Norman, Rory McCann, Tobias Knerr. Participants from HOT board: Ben Abelshausen, Rob Baker, Pete Masters).

Collaborative notes

The Licensing Working Group already works on the question of the HOT OpenStreetMap trademark

The amount of money sloshing around HOT makes it operate in a corporate-like fashion, unlike OpenStreetMap.

Personal histories cloud the perception of HOT from the European side.

Developing country contributors appreciate the top-down financial streams from HOT and Wikipedia. They don't understand why the OSMF doesn't operate that way.

Activities organized by HOT are many contributor's first contact with OpenStreetMap, resulting in superior mindshare.

As a result of HOT's dominant presence, OpenStreetMap as a free software project with purposes beyond providing data to NGO through paid projects is often lost on contributors.

HOT is particularly efficient in fundraising. OSMF would benefit from collaboration.

Joint fundraising might be a problem ? Rather coordinate.

HOT is nowadays the humanitarian opendata team. They are aware of the divergence between their current focus and carrying the OpenStreetMap brand. From our point of view, the privilege of the brand must be balanced with obligations.

Renaming HOT would be prohibitively expensive to them.

The OSMF would appreciate better promotion of the wider OpenStreetMap world, beyond the humanitarian space. We feel that HOT could put some effort to clarify that part of their trademark.

Suggestion: Have another meeting between OSMF and HOT boards?