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An often cited problem is that announcements made this way can easily get lost in the noise, and indeed the noise prevents many people attempting to keep up with the talk and dev main mailing lists (Harry sympathises with this viewpoint, and has ''never'' attempted to follow any mailing lists, with the result that he misses out on some announcements) Many of the other communication channels are attempts to tackle this problem.
A small minority of users have been known to post far too often, in breach of normal mailing list etiquette. This can be
The mailing list is also blighted by '''argumentative postings''' which is perhaps inevitable. Sadly it puts out a negative impression to any newcomers. Newbies were encouraged to move to the newbies mailing list, partly to decrease noise, but partly to attempt to present a more friendly face to these people. Sadly the newbies list is not without its arguments either.
The label of "trolling" is bandied around very easily, but in some cases there are accusations of deliberate and '''malicious''' attempts to undermine the effectiveness of the mailing list. It may be in some people's nature to needlessly start arguments, but clear-cut cases of malicious mailing list
Email addresses of posters are revealed. The system also requires to register with your 'from' address, which can be more difficult to set up as a
There is no integration with OSM user accounts, e.g. a way to post to mailing lists on the web via that.
==== announce list ====
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/announce/ A mailing list just for announcements. Clearly for this to be effective, it should not involve any discussion, and postings should be important project announcements, for some definition of "important". This means that unimportant things should
==== osmf-
There is also osmf-announce for separate foundation related announcements. Not clear if this separation is needed really.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/ Chit chat about the foundation. This may be particularly relevant to the Communications Working Group.▼
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▲http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/ Chit chat about the foundation.
===Wiki===
Documentation and help information. Publicly editable
There is a need to tread carefully (discuss changes first) around some areas of content to avoid getting embroiled in disputes, but there is also a massive amount of clean-up work which can be carried out without encountering much controversy. This is true throughout the whole wiki and even within the (often controversial) tagging documentation.
==== 'Community Updates' page ====
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Updates
The "Community Updates" page
=== Forum ===
A conventional web forum/message-board system which has been running for some time now. Run by Lambertus. It works fine as a place for discussion, and people who dislike mailing lists tend to wish that more people would move over to using it instead. Lambertus has done some technical tweaks to add RSS functionality. Integrated pretty nicely with OSM accounts. It uses it's own avatars where it could use OpenStreetMap ones (minor technical gripe) There's a [http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=8 feedback forum] for suggesting technical improvements.
The main use of the forum these days is by the russian community, with a fair bit of use by various other languages. Not much english.
It has functioned fairly well as a newbies/technical/tagging question & answer site, although this use case is now being usurped by help.openstreetmap.org
http://help.openstreetmap.org/
Question and answer site. It uses the Stack Overflow system, which resembles sites like "Yahoo! answers", with votable answers, but also blending in aspects of forums, wikis, and point-based badge games
Integrated pretty nicely with OSM accounts, although it uses avatars from gravatar.com rather than OpenStreetMap ones (minor technical gripe)
=== IRC ===
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IRC#IRC - Chat rooms. There's quite a lot of possible chat rooms listed. You can actually spawn a new chat room just
Several years ago there were some coordinated meetings held on the IRC channel, as a sort of live Q&A session to help newbies. Not sure how well they worked but they seemed to stop happening. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_Techniques,_Tips_and_Tricks
=== foundation blog ===
http://blog.osmfoundation.org/ - For foundation related news. Reviving this and keeping it up-to-date has been a focus of CWG activities
=== blogs.openstreetmap.org & user diaries ===
=== foundation wiki ===
http://www.osmfoundation.org/
We don't want to confusingly duplicate content of the main wiki, but we also don't want to aim to grow content in the same way. We don't really want a wiki-style sprawling knowledgebase on the foundation site. It's more of a CMS situation, than a knowledgebase situation.
The wiki is not openly editable. Editing access is granted to people on the foundation and working groups. The limited access can mean that updates are not as forthcoming as they could be, but it does mean we stand more of a chance of keeping the content tidy focussed. We can also have a positive spin on everything. Content doesn't need to drift towards a neutral point of view so much.▼
▲The wiki is not openly editable. Editing access is granted to people on the foundation and working groups. The limited access can mean that updates are not as forthcoming as they could be, but it does mean we stand more of a chance of keeping the content tidy & focussed. We can also have a positive spin on everything. Content doesn't need to drift towards a neutral point of view so much.
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